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Foley's Friday Mailbag: July 13, 2018

The U.S. Marine Corps Junior and Cadet National Championships, known colloquially by the name of its longtime host city, Fargo, gets underway Saturday with Cadet freestylers taking the mat at 9 a.m. The event, which has included wrestlers from 50 states and lasts seven days could see as many as 3,500 total entries, with 1,000 signed up for Cadet freestyle and another 1,200 signed up for Junior freestyle.

Numbers aside, Fargo is a great proving ground for many of the nation's wrestlers who otherwise have limited opportunity to compete against more established powerhouse athletes. This reach means that upsetting top-ranked competitors isn't just a measure of personal pride, it's also a way to accelerate scholarship opportunities, or even just link up with fellow wrestlers who can provide more insight on training opportunities, camps and overseas trips.

The networking and potential scholarship money driven out of the Fargo experience has kept the tournament relevant for several decades, but in a media-driven world the tournament can also provide (and help create) long-term media exposure for the stars of tomorrow. For example, while fans may have to rely on photos and grainy footage of Logan Stieber competing at the Fargodome, it's now possible for future megawatt all-stars to have the full extent of their amateur and professional journey captured by camera. Just look at video of Hayden Hidlay and Zahid Valencia meeting in the Fargo finals in 2013.

As discussed in this space before, media attention has its own drawbacks, but for a sport that often fails to excite those outside its closed ranks extending storylines lends storytelling among a larger variety of media outlets. From documentaries, to simple photo essays and interviews the access to the athletes from an earlier age, and in one location, can improve the visibility of the athlete and sport.

Yet, there is one complication to wider distribution: location.

Fargo is synonymous with the wrestling experience in America, but maybe a change of cities could pump up more interest? USA Wrestling would not willingly move to a more populous or well-trafficked city for the abstract idea of more butts in the seat, but if they could strike the same deal, get more entries and lower the transportation costs for member states it might be appealing. No matter how media beneficial, a move of venues is unlikely, and at the very least a threat of moving could be continued leverage to keep terms amendable.

As of now, the system isn't broken (entries are growing), but when looking forward 5-10 years placing the nation's most attended tournament in a more centralized and visible location could create more revenue and eyeballs. The only way to protect ourselves is to keep focused on growth and capturing more attention.

To your questions …

Q: Are you surprised Nico Megaludis left Penn State to train? What do you suspect contributed to the decision?
-- Mike C.


Foley: According to his interview with Pittsburgh Sports, it was a combination of professional, personal and wrestling. Megaludis has his business in Pittsburgh, has a close relationship with his father and family, and wanted to make a change in training environments. In the article he seems to be describing a situation in which he could get more attention at Pitt and also live a more balanced lifestyle. That's a mature outlook, and probably a necessary one in a sport that can take everything away from you with one ill-timed injury, or bad performance.

Also, there is the issue of an emergent Nahshon Garrett …

Nahshon Garrett (Photo/Tony Rotundo, WrestlersAreWarriors.com)

Q: I was super impressed with Nahshon Garrett at Final X. Obviously, the world stage is completely different. Do you think Garrett has a chance to medal in Budapest?
-- Mike C.


Foley: More than anything else Garrett needs some overseas matches and training camps. While he runs a risk (low in my estimation) of being scouted, he will learn to both tighten up his scrambles and more effectively choose his scoring opportunities. The actual skillset won't improve much over the next 12 weeks, but with proper training and exposure his tactics and mat intelligence can skyrocket.

I think 61 kilograms is one of the more competitive weight classes in the world and though there are winnable matches I have trouble predicting Garrett would outperform Beka Lomtadze (Georgia), Ghazimurad Rashidov (Russia) or Vladimir Dubov (Bulgaria) and whichever Japanese wrestler shows up in Budapest. Possible, but less than 50 percent likely.

Q: Final X. Any improvements you'd make?
-- @ShogunofSonoma


Foley: New cities, tighter schedule (as possible), and maybe a TV broadcast. Each has their upside, but overall I think that USA Wrestling and Flo did a great job with the new format.

Q: Who was the most impressive Cadet freestyle wrestler across all countries at the World Championships? Did you see any future superstars?
-- Mike C.


Foley: The Japanese women's team. Good grief, the level of talent throughout their program is phenomenal. The Iranian men's freestyle and Greco-Roman team also performed well in winning their titles but nothing as dominant as Japan taking home six of 10 gold medals in women's wrestling. If I had to guess, your next superstar would be in that group of Japanese women.

However, Amir Zare (Iran), who beat Greg Kerkvliet, is on pace to be a monster at 125 kilograms come Paris 2024, or maybe sooner.

MULTIMEDIA HALFTIME

Cadet Word Championships at 110 kg: Amir Zare (Iran) vs. Greg Kerkvliet (USA)

It's entertaining, and Cormier will get PAID.

Q: Who wins: Brock or Cormier?
-- Joe E.


Foley: First, let us recognize that Daniel Cormier is an undefeated two-division UFC champion. His "losses" to Jon Jones were both erased after Jones was found to have been on steroids. Like someone on Twitter wrote, you don't think less of Carl Lewis because he lost to a 'roided Ben Johnson at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul.

Daniel Cormier is the greatest fighter to have ever stepped in the Octagon. He's faced all opponents and come away with two belts. What else could he do?

As for Brock, I know that he is very much limited in his skill set when compared to Cormier, but you can't discount his size. Cormier was OK coming up against Stipe Miocic, but Brock has a type of strength that could give Cormier real issues in cage positioning. Also, he'll need to expend a tremendous amount of energy for any takedown efforts.

I still think Cormier wins by KO, but for that to happen Brock still needs to face his fiercest opponent yet: WADA.

Q: What is the current state of UWW officiating?
-- @smcfee1961


Foley: In total there are something like 3,000 officials with United World Wrestling licenses. The vast majority of these referees never attend an international tournament as they have yet to rank high enough internally, or with UWW, to take the mats.

Those who do are typically rated 1 or 1s, which is the highest of the ratings given to the referees. In fact, referees must be 1s to be considered for the Olympic Games. Recently a lot of work has been put into the grassroots education of referees with introductory courses being launched around the world, including India, China and North Korea.

That development and the movement of the referee oversight away from the political arm of the organization has already shown a lot of positive outcomes. There seems to be new blood in the mix, fewer of whom feel as beholden to their national federations. Exceptions occur, but in large part the on-the-mat calls have seemed fair in 2018.

There are A LOT of matches in wrestling. The Cadet World Championships alone had close to 800 matches. There will be mistakes, oversights and bad referees, but it shouldn't distract from the larger intention to clean up the body and make it a dependable unit come Budapest and the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo,.

Q: What do you think of Sarah Hirshland becoming the new CEO of the USOC?
-- Kevin M.


Foley: While news of Sarah Hirshland's hire will focus on her becoming the first woman to be the permanent CEO of the USOC, the focus will shift quickly to the work she has in front of her, including a gymnastics body under siege and an Olympic Games in 2028.

Hirshland comes from the United States Golf Association where she was the chief commercial officer in charge of global rights, communications and a number of other high-level departments and interests. Prior to serving at the USGA Hirshland was at the Wasserman Agency in LA where she worked with Olympic kingmaker and NBC-connect Casey Wasserman -- an association that no doubt aided her campaign for the USOC's top job.

The next 18-24 months will be crucial for Hirshland and the USOC. Preparation for the 2020 Summer Games in Tokyo will include red-hot media attention on the gymnastics and swimming federations -- each dealing with controversies far outside their normal level. How she leads the organization through this period and what steps she takes to prevent future crisis situations will indicate the strength of the USOC and the Olympic movement at-large.

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Anonymous (2) about 7 years ago
mustang98: Wrestler attendance at Cadet and Junior Nationals happens in spite of Fargo's location, not because of it. There are very few venues large enough to hold 20+ mats. If there were an indoor football stadium located in the Mid-Atlantic, attendance would be just as good or better than it is in Fargo. The Colts stadium in Indianapolis most likely would get better attendance than Fargo. The only caveat is that lodging and other expenses (i.e. venue rental) are cheaper in Fargo than a major city like Indianapolis or a more populous city on the east coast. Being too lazy to check the actual numbers, I would imagine the states with the largest rosters include IL, PA, OH, MI, NJ. Those states aren't going to have less participants if the venue is moved further east. Nor do I think that IA or MN are going to drop off much in attendance. CA's team has to take a plane trip whether it's Fargo or Indianapolis or Pittsburgh so I would expect their numbers to remain similar to what they are now. But the venue rental rate and lodging at UND - in addition to the effort of building a network of volunteers willing to work a week-long wrestling tournament in July - is probably too good of a deal to change locations.
giessmann (2) about 7 years ago
St. Louis would be great. I live in Arkansas and would definitely drive up each summer. But, I get the point about Fargo being cheaper. Too, I guess it's tradition at this point.
les (1) about 7 years ago
Fooley, I think that you are correct, change is important. Whom do we write to in order to get a change of writers? You know, someone pro free style, pro American, pro tradition, pro HS and college wrestling. You've been here for quite a while, let's see if a change would be better, you know, more subscribers, more question and answers, less commentary.
djhart69 (1) about 7 years ago
Andrewmah, I got to admit that was a good one about getting Nathan Tomasello his money. It took some time for me to get the joke.
By the way your MAGA hero is meeting with his boss in Helsinki in a few days probably to get paid and get new orders. I wonder if the 12 new indictments of his comrades will come up in the conversation?
Thank God for Rosenstein and Mueller maybe the last two honest Republicans left!
Brigham (1) about 7 years ago
Have watched a few of the cage type fights and see wrestling/judo skills as a real plus. Those I see throwing punches seldom commit themselves like a Boxer does. They throw the punch but rear back as if afraid of getting hit - looks like kids on a playground.
More ring training might help. Maybe learn how to throw a good uppercut - a quick way to discourage the low attacks for takedowns?
At any rate, poor punching technique seems to be the norm.
grapplefan (2) about 7 years ago
Why can't we just leave Fargo in Fargo?
If St. Louis or DC or Cleveland had got up off their butts and started a summer prep tourney years ago, then they'd have something now. But they didn't.

So now after the good folks up in Fargo made their tourney into a big success, some greedy fools want to take it over. Look what happened to National Duals after it left Cedar Falls.

Besides, we live in a small digital world these days, so you could all watch it, just like they watch the NCAA finals in Fargo.
InfiniteCrest (2) about 7 years ago
The goofy-ass MAGA reactions and ideas in this thread are one of, if not the biggest obstacles that the sport of wrestling has to overcome in order to really get the following and adulation it deserves.
black_sabathia (1) about 7 years ago
Jim Jordan would like to perform skin checks at local high D.C. high schools.
black_sabathia (1) about 7 years ago
Jim Jordan will be performing skin checks at Fargo.
Cradle2thegrave (1) about 7 years ago
Andrewmah, Mustang98, les.... trolls
Keyser Soze83 (1) about 7 years ago
Djhart where in the world do you get your information that President Trump is in cahoots with putin? If you paid attention to anything that was said at the un meeting Trump blasted Germany for getting their power from Russia saying the USA puts billions in to protect you from Russia and you are doing business with them like they are your pals. Do I need to to paste the link for the video of your bitch obama at a nuclear disarmament summit in Seoul in March 2012, President Obama was caught on a hot mic talking to Russian President (at the time) Dimitri Medvedev. "This is my last election," Obama said. "After my election I have more flexibility."

"I understand," Medvedev is recorded replying. "I will transmit this information to Vladimir."
cjb28 (1) about 7 years ago
Jones has no comparison to a “roided Ben Johnson”. His first “violation” was proven by USADA to be a tainted viagra like supplement with trace amounts of a banned substance offering no performance enhancing effect. The second test appears to be a similar mishap and is still in arbitration. He may be guilty of being a careless partying fool, but he is not guilty of taking steroids or any supplement to provide an advantage in the ring. Also, the I’ll informed bashing of Jordan Peterson in last week’s mailbag was over the top as well. I have heard him speak a few times and in the full context of his discussions I have not found him to be misogynistic or racist or anything of the sort. His main source of hate from the radical left is based on him fighting a proposed law in Canada to force the use by the citizens of a list of gender specific pronouns, or. “Forced speech.”
D_W (1) about 7 years ago
Carl Lewis was a cheater, too. Three failed drug tests at the 1988 olympic trials. he shouldn't have been competing at all. All three for stimulants that may have been masking steroids. He's directly quoted on all but the part about masking steroids.
DannyClarke (1) about 7 years ago
"Daniel Cormier is the greatest fighter to have ever stepped in the Octagon."

LOL. Okay Foley, whatever you say.
rowboat (1) about 7 years ago
#firefoley
Duffnuts (1) about 7 years ago
I believe USADA governs testing for the UFC. Last I heard, WADA didn't recognize the sport.