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Foley's Friday Mailbag: December 13, 2013

Time to get into that New York state of mind.

There is always a feeling of hopelessness when a large bureaucratic body is left to decide to the future of a good-spirited, upwardly mobile organization. Wrestling, a sport with a reputation as a bottom-feeder among college athletic directors, has often taken the brutal end of the Louisville Slugger when it came to fortuitous moments. But this week our sport's fortune, and future, was changed forever.

The NCAA, in a moment of financial brilliance has chosen the media capital of the world to host the 2016 NCAA Wrestling Championships. It's a publicity coup for the sport and in a crowded field of common bid cities. Instead of wallowing in a media no-go zone like Kansas City, wrestling will be on the Madison Square Garden marquee.

There were leaders behind this push who in time will be recognized for their hard work, but in the meantime let's all bask in the glory of the achievement. Our community has shown loyalty and strength over the past year, and it's because of our passion and commitment to the sport we love that this type of accomplishment can be awarded to the sport.

To your questions ...

Wasn't it a disservice to Cael Sanderson for InterMat to drop Penn State from the No. 1 spot in the team rankings? Penn State is delicately managing their roster right now, and nobody better at doing that than Cael. Had the Hawkeyes really shown anything that indicated they will make up the 123.5 - 73 point deficit from last year's NCAAs? No, they hadn't, and after the debacle at Edinboro, InterMat rankings people have to feel a little sheepish, don't they?
-- Cal


Foley: I'm not on the InterMat ranking committee, but I'm sure they always feel sheepish and beaten down. Punks, right?

Anyway, these wimps created an objective measurement for team rankings based on the current individual rankings of a team's wrestlers, and how many points that ranking would earn them at NCAAs. It's just numbers.

On the non-ranking front, Penn State is still my favorite to win the NCAA title, but don't think for a moment that they have sealed the team race in December. Minnesota has three top-ranked wrestlers. Oklahoma looks incredible, and Iowa is Iowa. We are in for another classic NCAA tournament. Bonus points will matter, which makes Penn State a favorite, and every match, every round, meaningful.

Q: What is your assessment of the sites picked for the next few NCAAs (through 2018)? All the buzz seems to be about NYC, but how would you breakdown the positives and negatives of each site?
-- Jeff N.


Foley: As you can tell, I'm pretty excited by the New York City event, however, there are two other cities that have earned bids.

According to the details rumored to be in the package, the NCAA was guaranteed $500k by the state of Missouri for each event. St. Louis is a comfy spot for wrestling fans, and since the money was good the NCAA seemed to prefer it to also-rans like Louisville.

I think St. Louis can be awesome, but there are some major flaws to the city hosting every season -- namely the lack of good late-night dining options. I once ended up at a White Castle, sober, at midnight. Nobody should have to endure that stomach bomb while attending their sport's biggest event.

Cleveland gets a crappy rap for being depressed and awful. I don't LOVE Cleveland, but the food scene is pretty decent, downtown can be active and the hotels are class. The city is drivable from the Midwest, a very short jaunt for western Pennsylvania and the airport has enough flights from major hubs to ensure that we can all make the flight home.

I'm willing, with cautious optimism, to endorse Cleveland, though I acknowledge that the NCAA did butter me up by giving us New York City.

Q: Rob Koll and J Rob are both program builders. They did it with different platforms, one Ivy and one in the Big Ten. My question to you: Who is the next Rob Koll and J Robinson?
-- Ben L.


Foley: I got great news, there are many more than two program-building coaches ascending right now.

My guy Steve Garland is building an army of blunt-faced wrestlers with good grades at the University of Virginia.

Virginia Tech's Kevin Dresser has shown the skill to coach 'em from the crib and create massive publicity for his program.

Mark Cody will have Oklahoma winning an NCAA title in the next five years.

Stanford's Jason Borrelli has another top-ranked wrestler and the team is ranked No. 15 in the country.

Northwestern's Drew Pariano has the top-ranked recruiting class in the country and a handful of wrestlers who could contend for the NCAA championship in 2014.

Doug Schwab has taken Northern Iowa into the top 15.

J Robinson is in his 28th season as Minnesota's coach (Photo/Simon Jimenez, WrestlersAreWarriors.com)
That's a long list, but the point is that you should consider Coach Robinson and Coach Koll to be visionaries within college coaching. They have changed the idea of what is expected from a Division I wrestling coach. It's no longer good enough to just have hammers in your lineup. You need to be good at promotions and alumni relations. You need to be a priority of the athletic department, not dead weight. These guys are the new class and I expect that with more turnover in the coming years we'll have another few guys to add to the list.

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Q: Your thoughts on the Ben Askren situation? Why do so many wrestlers get away from wrestling when they enter MMA? Askren does very little but wrestle. I have yet to see anyone stop his takedowns. Scrambling, mat awareness, and the "feel" can never be matched by people outside out sport and no amount of "cross training" will ever neutralize it. To say otherwise is the greatest insult to our sport. When are these guys going to realize that you train to compliment wrestling, not transform into something completely different. See my attached video. King Mo thinks he can box. He attempted no takedown. He was on the World Team. If he wants to plant someone no one in UFC could stop him (other than another wrestler). Tim, you were an All-American, can you honestly say that if a good athlete who cross-trained to do standups could actually get out from you?
-- Frank C.


Foley: You make an excellent point. Askren has realized that with continued improvement in his jiu-jitsu and striking, he can focus on his wrestling, not work to escape it. There are a million ways to win and lose a fight, but Askren minimizes those risks by smothering his opponents on the ground. Sure, he gets knocked around on occasion and has been forced to fight off deep submissions, but his wrestling, and his absolute laser focus on using it, has left him relatively untouched.

I've been fortunate to train MMA in some major gyms and have found that if you're able to close the distance without getting your head knocked off, it's possible to take down almost any fighter who doesn't have a significant background in wrestling. Holding them there is also possible, though it's made more difficult by the gloves, which make it tough to lock your hands for mat returns and other control positions.

There are always exceptions, but for the most part if you were a good top wrestler in college, there are very few non-wrestlers who should be able to earn an escape in the cage.

Q: When's the next Backpoints podcast? Are you happy with the way homeland is closing the season? What's a Merkel or Merkle? Do you ever yell at the Student U broadcasters through your computer screen or TV? Is it me or all of a sudden freestyle seems more interesting than seven-plus minutes of 1-1 SV? Will Ed Ruth wrestle against Ohio State? Without him I see it five matches each? Wasn't the crowd at Iowa-Edinboro the way every match should be?
-- CB


Foley: Love the rapid-fire questions. Will answer in a similar fashion.

Month? We are on hiatus as I travel. Haven't seen the last two episodes, but I liked the Navy Seal episode -- no spoilers! Haven't watched this year's broadcasts, but yes. More exciting in 2013, but I prefer NCAA wrestling. I think so. 6-4. Sure, but that requires a top five team, plenty of promotion, and Bruce Baumgartner's mustache.

Q: What ever happened to the Living the Dream Medal Fund? Is it still active? I ask because I recently got calls from both DNC and RNC volunteers campaigning for donation in support of the 2014 mid-term elections. In my opinion, funding the dreams of our Olympic hopefuls can't be an "oh-its-an-Olympic-year-let's-raise-money" endeavor and should be treated with the same urgency in off years as in Olympic years. Not easy, I know, but we saw what happened when we, as a community, "dimmed the lights" on our sport.
-- Dylan M.


Foley: Yes. Our Olympic hopefuls are still being rewarded for their wins. Any perceived falloff in the fundraising campaign has to be attributed to the #SaveOlympicWrestling movement which mobilized much of USA Wrestling's fundraising operation. We will see a re-commitment to this effort, though it's unclear if the goals will be larger now that wrestling needs to show the IOC that it's not only worth its Olympic position, but that it can be profitable. To do that, we'll need to retain the best athletes.

InterMat senior writer T.R. Foley answers reader questions about NCAA wrestling, international wrestling, recruiting, or anything loosely related to wrestling. Questions can be sent to Foley's email account or Twitter.

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irishdevil84 (1) about 11 and a half years ago
Important to note, Garland worked under Koll for 6 years. And no doubt Matt Azevedo at drexel will do the same as a result of being at Cornell.
dangoldman (1) about 11 and a half years ago
Ruth is back for Ohio State this week.
tdkplus2 (1) about 11 and a half years ago
I'm very disappointed that committee didn't pick Pittsburgh to host the NCAA wrestling tournament I think Pittsburgh would've been a perfect place to have considering all talent wrestlers that comes out of PA . Out of all the choices I think Pittsburgh and New York would've been the best to showcase the world wrestling The committee don't have a clue
footestomper (1) about 11 and a half years ago
Cal asked: "Wasn't it a disservice to Cael Sanderson for InterMat to drop Penn State from the No. 1 spot in the team rankings?" Well, I'm a bit of a math geek (and a PSU fan). Like T.R. says, the Intermat wrestling rankings are based on "tournament strength." It has nothing to do with who won last year, and they should be #1 until somebody beats them. It's all about if the tournament was held today - who would win - based upon the rankings. Using the Intermat rankings, I have devised my own point system based upon projected team points by placement, advancement points, and bonus points. The 11/26 rankings had PSU as #1 by 1.5 over Iowa. I also had PSU #1, but only by 0.5 points, with Minny 7 points back. The 12/2 rankings moved Iowa to #1 by 8.5 points over PSU, mostly due to Nick Moore's movement from 8th to 4th. I also had Iowa #1, but by 13.5 points over PSU, with Minny 3.5 behind PSU. Minny was closing the gap with 3 wrestlers moving up the charts (at 141, 149, and 197). All 3 of these were in point productive places. C. Dardanes at 141 moved from 5th to 4th, N. Dardanes at 149 moved from 3rd to 2nd, and at Schiller at 197 from 2nd to 1st. The 12/10 rankings had Minny takeover the #1 spot by 5 points over PSU, while Iowa dropped to 3rd, 5 points behind PSU. Minny's improvement came from N.Dardanes at 149 advancing to #1, and the return of Steinhaus as #4 (this weight was at #17 the previous week). Iowa's drop was mostly due to Ramos getting beat and falling to #3 from #1. This was partially offset by Telford moving up to #3. I also have Minny as #1 by 10 points over PSU, and Iowa 17 points behind PSU. It's going to be very exciting . . . who can stay healthy? . . . which team will have wrestlers place higher than their rankings? . . . which team will have several wrestlers not place to their projected rankings? . . . which team will have wrestlers picking up more bonus points than projected? Who really (other then a few PSU fans) had Q picked to do a takedown clinic on Kilgore in the finals? Finally, Minny might build a bigger lead next week with Carter out for the season, there will be marginal benefit for PSU and Iowa, but a big benefit for Minny as C.Dardanes will likely move to #3. WOW, it's only December . . . what an exciting year of NCAA wrestling coming up. I would look for the team leader to change a few more times before March!
PowderRiver (1) about 11 and a half years ago
Love the passion footestomper. I wanted to do the same with a mathematical algorithm to try and handicap the big tournament, but I suppose inertia (read laziness) got the better of me. What is needed is an estimate of the alpha to the regression that PSU brings to the table in terms of bonus points during tournaments. Rankings are only part of the equation, but the PSU crew seems to not only live up to their individual rankings, but they also pick up huge bonus points along the way, separating them from the pack. Its somewhat tough to quantify for tournaments because a David Taylor and an Ed Ruth at #1 has to be worth a lot more than a Dardanes or DSJ at #1. No disrespect to those guys, they just don't win nearly as many bonus points. For instance, Minny as a team wins often, but by much smaller point margins, which is why I don't see them matching the pin, tech, majors across the board that Cael's crew can be counted on in almost every round. They just rack and rack up points each round. While I do think (and hope) Iowa could win the dual next week in head to head competition, since they seem to shine in the dual format, I think that, in tournament format it's a very different game, and no one is playing that game better than PSU.
footestomper (1) about 11 and a half years ago
Thanks for the response, PowderRiver. You are right, if I had more time I would analyze the individual wrestlers for bonus point potential. It definitely takes high placing AA's, with bonus points, to win it all. It's going to be very interesting, and exciting this year. On a side note, the NCAA tournament is so exciting because everyone gets on opportunity to let it all hang out. If you are going up against one of the top wrestlers, it's your opportunity to see if you really can match up, not just "lose by a decision" to keep the dual meet score close. And, yes PSU visiting Iowa should be interesting . . . but the best part about this is that Cael and Tom put this together . . . this is actually a "non-conference" match . . . I'm really pleased these two teams are meeting each other . . . should be great for wrestling . . . but before that happens there is PSU vs Ohio State on BTN later this morning . . . so excited I'm up late writing this reply instead of sleeping !!!! Good night!
footestomper (1) about 11 and a half years ago
Look for Zain Rutherford to move up the charts !
PowderRiver (1) about 11 and a half years ago
Z. Retherford, WOW! To beat someone as dominant as Stieber as a true Freshman...nothing short of amazing. Add the Alton's back to the mix and you have the most dominant PSU team. Ever.